Presentation in Boise by Genesis Project (hydrogen fuel cell development) has few details
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| December 6, 2002 |  View for printing |
A mysterious technology touted to end reliance on fossil fuels and other traditional energy sources was unveiled in Boise Thursday, but its cloak-and-dagger public launch left attendees puzzled and curious.
Julie Howard The Idaho Statesman Revealed were these details:
• This technology “breakthrough” utilizes a fuel cell that consumes nothing but water to generate energy. Using the amount of water an ordinary bathtub can hold, this fuel cell unit will produce enough energy to last a household more than 20 years. The unit produces no byproducts. No residential retrofits are required — the unit uses existing electrical wiring and natural gas plumbing. The unit has no moving parts and is silent.
• The unit is code-named The Edison Device. The secret team that developed the technology operates under the name The Genesis Project. Only brief statements and repeated references to the need for confidentiality were made by three members of two entities set up to market and license the technology.
• Nejhla Shaw, a former New York Life Insurance sales supervisor, is president of World Energy Management, which is the licensing representative for the Edison Device. Her son Darren Shaw, who previously owned a wireless communications company in Arizona, is CEO. Another son, Charles Shaw, is corporate counsel for Genesis World Energy, the technology development, production and supply arm of The Genesis Project.
The list of details not revealed about the project was longer.
Among the questions the Shaws declined to answer were: What are the names of those involved in the privately funded consortium?
Where did the research take place, and what are the locations of a residential home and industrial facility said to be fully operational using the Edison Device? How much was invested in research and who provided those funds?
While the Shaws are from New Jersey, they said Boise was selected as the unveiling site because some of the researchers and components of the device were made here.
“Boise is the birthplace of the project,” said Nejhla Shaw. “Eighteen months ago a group of visionaries sat here and brainstormed, and the most important components were assembled here.”
More than 400 people were involved in the project, which took about two years to develop, said the Shaws.
The key component of the technology is a fuel cell that separates the hydrogen and water molecules in water through a series of electro-chemical processes.
The hydrogen can then be burned cleanly as a replacement for natural gas or other traditional forms of fuel, and also be recombined with oxygen in a separate cell to generate electrical current.
“It´s incredibly interesting,” said Shirl Boyce, vice president of economic development for the Boise Metro Chamber of Commerce, who was invited to view the technology launch at the Boise Centre on the Grove. “I can´t respond to a business model or anything else about them. I can´t say a lot more than that.”
Idaho Power did not have a representative at the launch, but a representative Thursday said the technology was potentially revolutionary.
“If this is legitimate, then it would revolutionize the energy industry,” said Dennis Lopez, a spokesman for Idaho Power, after he perused the group´s Web site (www.GenesisWorldEnergy.org).
Lopez said new ideas for generating electricity aren´t uncommon and the utility´s parent company, IdaCorp, has a division that is focused on developing fuel cell technology.
“Our fuel cell division has a number of fuel cells being tested by the military and others,” said Lopez, but he added he isn´t familiar with anyone who has developed a process that uses solely water — and nothing else — in a fuel cell.
“Using just water without any other resource would be a major breakthrough. I´m sure if they have a working model we could look at, I would assume any utility would be interested in seeing it.”
That´s just the sort of interest the Shaws are hoping to generate.
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Reader Comments:
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Just a few questions... 1. Is this another Enron? 3. Can we pull our troops out of the Middle East? 2. Will I actually be able to purchase a device for my home use soon? 3. How come NASA is not using this technology? 4. Will fossil fuel companies squash these guys? --Mad Max
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The technology was hinted at as early on November 29. Why is there so little public discussion on the validity of the claims? |
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I completely believe that this technology is possible... But I'm afraid they will go the same way as XOGEN, Daneil Dingel's water car (http://www.wasserauto.de) etc. And let's not forget the ever-powerful oil lobby. Too many inventors and their inventions have simply vanished over the years. --S. Buffalo
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Goes against the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. Its a perpetual motion machine. |
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A first semester chemistry student can prove this is a fraud. --Reader
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Why havn't any other major news sources picked up on this story? Why won't they show it working? Why all the secrecy? If they are lying, what do they hope to achieve? --Skeptical
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One thing that kinda confuses me: Why do people keep saying "this is a perpetual motion machine?" IT IS NOT! IT may be NEAR it.. but read more closely; It DOES 'use-up' the water.. just very slowly. There is a huge gulf of difference between "perpetual motion" machines and "NEAR perpetual motion" machines; The first isn't practically possible at all, the second IS. --Stilgar
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I'm afraid the old adage "If it's too good to be true it is" applies here. Unfortunately the 2nd law of Thermodynamics would have to be re-written for this to operate. Also, no theorist or engineer that created such a breaktrhough would allow any consortium to hold the information without also publishing the names of said scientists. Sorry folks, there just isn't any such thing as a free lunch. |
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Why couldn't this be a catalytic H2O cracking system which requires less energy to crack H2O into H2 and O2 than burning H2 in O2 releases? --John
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If they had four hundred people working on this project why couldn't they come up with a more original name? Does any one know what happened to Segway BTW? --99
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I can believe this "breakthrough" was debuted in Idaho; anywhere else and they would have been laughed off of the stage. Reality check: Unless you are going to throw out the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, I don't care what kind of "catalyst" they have, it CAN NOT liberate more energy than was there to begin with (perhaps a nuclear reaction is involved [does it glow blue?]). Repeat after me: "There is NO free lunch . . .There is NO free lunch." Now, if you're still a believer, then please, let me interest you in some cold fusion investments. Bwahahaha. |
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I, for one, will hold the belief that this could be true. Indoor lighting was once thought impossible. Dare to dream... --Frank
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Hi, it's real. I believe it was Einstein who said something to the effect that we cannot solve the great problems of today by thinking in the same way with which we created them. Think how ironic it is that approximately 100 years ago the early petro burning autos were laughed at. Now lets all laugh together and I'll buy everyone of you a free lunch if you promise to do the same for two poorer people! A catalyst that separates water..biomimicry..sounds ingenious. You know how much potential there is in the human mynd. Please, think for yourself, do not merely be pressed into the molds of previous generations conceptualization, nor forget them, evolution with every breath. Your children and their own beg you to stand up and face the day with a new found hope born of intentional ecological design integration. To quote Nelson Mandela's 94' inaugural speech "it is our light, not our darkness that frightens us." Facilitating positive change, can you really comprehend 6 billion individuals holding hands? Of course you can as you sit before the machines that are evolving into artificial intelligence. Do not limit yourself by your own mynd. Freedom, Independece, Security, Endurance, Cooperation, Synergy, Peace, embrace them in your arms, mynds and hearts! Peaceful Warriors Unite! This is not the end, it is the beginning... Faithfully yours in creative universal exploration. Nasinga Nalinga Love & Light Universal Citizen |
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The 2nd law of thermodynamics can be bent (i.e., self-organizing systems, emergent behavior), but never broken. It’s not a matter of opening one’s “mynd”; remember, open it too far and your brain will fall out. The Boise “debut” left out some very important information that I can see no reason not to release at this stage. I’d love this to be true, but until they reveal a lot more about this “Edison Machine”, I’d treat this as nothing more than a scam. I mean, c’mon, the most significant invention in the history of the human race is debuted in Idaho? Even science-fiction writers wouldn’t try that one… --A Hydrologist
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I'm glad your bent on self-organizing hydrological systems; all life we know of depends on them:) Your right, it is about opening mynds. Critical consciousness theory; one hundreth monkey. Genius is the ability to put into effect what is on your mynd. "Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre mynds"-Albert E. To the beauty of lifes miracles, phenomenons, and forces we may never percieve, consciously Love is everywhere. Remember the world continues to rotate faster than our comprehension. Change is the only constant, change. Catch you on the flip side! Peace in the Middle East LOVE WATER - the best stuff on earth |
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Sir, I wonder why any patents have not been applied or taken for the product And how could 400 people work without the press knowing about it for 2 years |
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I've been following this thing since it appeared on www.evworld.com As soon as I went to the Genesis World Energy's (GWE) web-site I saw what seemed to me to be the most facile childish attempt at a scam I've ever seen. Anonymous "visionaries"? Where do these visionaries (not scientists) come from? Why, from "a wide array of scientific, technological and engineering disciplines". Naturally. There are code-words throughout the press-release and web-site that promote future deniability (in case anyone legal calls them on their claims). "members themselves did not know the identities of other Genesis Project members outside their own group". What scientist have you ever heard of likes to work anonymously? Well maybe there were over 400 of them. Maybe I'm just being too cynical. And HEY! I am being too cynical. Look if a "team of dedicated men and women who have very diverse ethnic, religious and political backgrounds were able to set aside their differences for the common benefit of mankind" maybe I could believe that "fate or divine inspiration" allowed these saints to discover something "nothing short of a miracle". Maybe I could also believe that something as potentially world shattering in importance as this would be shepharded into the public eye by an insurance saleswoman and her two sons. Already on other sites our shephardess is laying the groundwork for the first-round of skepticism that will arrive as the sheep begin buying these gCell-eCell miracles: http://www.edie.net/gf.cfm?L=left_fr ... ve/6395.cfm Her quote: “Because of the low price people think it’s not going to work.” Lord. I'm sure the source of revenue for this scam will be from licensing to corporations. Scam artists have learned that they can't scam the public (non corporate entities) without risking some consumer protection agency to eventually research the complaints. On the other hand, dealing with corporations as partners (through investment or licensing) tends to be a bit more safe. Corporations tend to walk away from bad investments and rarely seek to recover their money after the realization that they've been scammed sinks in. What corporation wants the bad press? Furthermore, GWE seems to be smart about protecting their level of contact with the ultimate consumer by insisting the utility companies use-it-or-lose-it: "Companies and governments have 60 days to apply and qualify to obtain licenses. After that, all companies and governments selected for licenses will receive product design and specification packages on exactly the same day, giving each licensee the incentive to begin delivery to consumers as quickly as possible in order to establish the best possible market share. In all cases, in order for licensees to retain their license, they must begin regular delivery to consumers within nine months after receiving their license." Wait!!! I thought these guys were saints who did this all for the benefit of humanity??? For WHAT POSSIBLE REASON would a license be pulled from a company for not deploying within 60 days?? Well, my friend, because GWE doesn't want these utility companies to actually deploy the gCell-eCell scam-product. Otherwise consumers will start complaing. But even if they do, GWE and the shephards will be protected by a level of indirection. After all, it will be the utility companies who actually sold these large plastic water containers to the public, not GWE. In fact, GWE might even be able to maintain that the utility company built the Edison Device incorrectly (after all, the licensees only receive "product design and specification packages")..... Anyways, I've said enough. I encourage you all to follow this. Every week, I have some fun and search the internet for GWE to see how their venture is proceeding. I'm supposing I'll see a few more press announcements, then nothing. Maybe in a year, I'll read about a lawsuit or something. But it will not be enough to discourage such scammers from continuing. Even if they lose one or two lawsuits (or settle), they'll still have made a lot more from those corporate entities and investors who have sunk money in and are too ashamed to admit (and litigate). The only way to stop these people is jail time. At least, this is all my opinion. |
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Man on the street-Boise. I'm just a high school graduate from the same town as the press release. Some have joked of Boise's lack of scientific/technical prowess. They obviously donot know who are the largest employers in Idaho. Read the papers for christsake! Having said that I graduated over some 20 years ago and even I know the improbability of such nonsense. Open mind people out there- THINK THIS THROUGH!People....The world works like this...Energy is like cash it just transfers hands...When O2 and H2 get together they give away cash...in order to split apart they are going to need that cash back. There is only a limited amount of cash out there!!!! Some say" Well over time thay did say it used some water, so therefore it is not a true perpetual motion device" If this was true then that would mean : water was used energy was created matter was converted to energy Anyone ever hear of Einstein's "Conservation of Energy and Matter"! To think they been building nuclear reactors wrong all along! Where does the energy come from... the fabric of time and space? Is alien "Scalar Technology" responsible for this! Don't worry they haven't asked for any money yet...They just want your SOUL!!!!Gotta go....Man on the street-Boise --motsb
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Large amounts of Edison Device stock were sold in the Eastern U.S. last year in the name of United Fuel Cell Technology, registered in Delaware. Purchasers were told the public would be informed 400 individuals with military and aerospace backgrounds created the breakthrough device, while, in reality, it was the work of a single brilliant inventor. The claim that 400 people were behind the project was described as a smokescreen to protect the inventor, who feared death at the hands of threatened energy interests. This, too, shouts SCAM! If you check, you will find that UFCT was registered in August 2001, has never filed a report, has not revealed who its officers are,and has not paid any taxes. Henry A. --Henry Avery
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Genesis World Energy -FRAUD & SCAM. Excuse me for being so blunt , but if one has a degree of education , one can fairly quickly ascertain Genesis World Energy a a fraud.A similar fraud and scam happened in the seventies. Quantum mechanics forbids such silly dribble. Hydrino postulates of Hydrogen atoms collapsing is a theory. Magical energy has never worked that way.Only FRAUDSTERS say such. "With Blessings" at the bottom of their "vision" page.Whats that ?? Http://www.hydrogen.org.au/ Mr Hydrogen |
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Interestingly enough I invested in this as a friends and takers initiative originaly under the name of United Fuel Cell Technologies, (California) It was offered through an investment firm in New York. I was recently informed that it was sold to the company working on the Edison Device. I too find this web page very interesting since I just located it today 2/8/03. I'm not a Techie, maybe just a lemming/sucker!! What peaks my interest is why havn't they applied for SEC filings, or gone public to further their studies, or have they received enough funding through friends and takers to continue the project. It's my understanding that Microsoft and Hewlett/Packard among other large corpoations have also invested in this company. --B Davis
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There are some very thoughtful comments at this forum. I found Deniel Eklund's comments to be especially thoughtful. There is one thing I think Mr Eklund gets wrong though. This is not a facile childish attempt at a scam. It's a well thought out scam. They put up the web page and throw a press conference for Genesis World Energy, but say that they are not seeking investor funds. So Genesis World Energy does not get the close press scrutiny they might get if they were raising funds, and they build up a cadre of on-line defenders who respond "but they are not asking for money" when one points out that it's a scam. At the same time, Patrick Kelly os out selling shares of United Fuel Cell Technologies, and using the Genesis press coverage to wow investors. Kelly gets the benefits of having a web site and press conferences, without any of the baggage. I've got a lot of coverage of the story at: http://members.cox.net/john.lichtenstein/ I have a question for B. Davis. You bought UFCT stock through a broker? Who was it? I've never heard of broker involvement in UFCT sales. And UFCT was a California corporation? It's been registered in Delaware since August 2001. As Henry Avery points out above, all Delaware will tell you about them is that they are behind on their taxes (registration renewals?) and have never filed anything. They have never even filed the name of the officers. Nobody wants to be tied to the flood of complaints that are going to come in when the truth comes out. About Microsoft or HP investing in UFCT, if your source for this is MSFT or HP, that would be interesting. But if the source is Patrick Kelly, or an investor who got the story from Kelly, then it's just more of Kelly's snow job. john --JohnL
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When is the Statesman going to update it's article with a follow up ? --daisy
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--Robi
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According to the genesis web site there were individuals who witnessed a demostration of the device.Who were these people and what were their comments? --RDR
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From: http://www.h2eco.org/wwwboard/messages/2426.htm My name is Dean Kuehnen. I am am investigator with the Attorney General's Office in the state of New Jersey. My Bureau and other state Bureaus currently have an investigation into Genesis World Energy, United Fuel Cell Technologies, Patrick Kelly, Nejhla Shaw, and Darren Shaw. My case is a matter of unregistered investments and fraud (VERY STRONG CASE). I have worked cases off of inquiries for quite some time and I must say that every one of my attempts to determine the legitimacy of the above mentioned has been severely thwarted at every turn. Subjects of interest in the so-called company have been changing their numbers and retaining lawyers left and right. It is quite unbelievable. Dont bother trying to search for the UFCT share registrations. There are none. The companies are not registered in Delaware, (However, as a result of my investigation Genesis was registered in Delaware Sept. 23(that does NOT mean a whole lot now). I am amused that "they" tell the investors that the government wants Kelly dead for his discovery. That is a laugh. On the Genesis sight they speak of a team of 400 scientists, sorry, there is only 1, and that is Kelly. Demonstrations of a "fuel cell" have been shown to perspective investors who told me that they saw the same machine for $150 in an airline catalog. That is just a tiny tiny fraction of the big picture. It is my job to investigate this matter for the state of NJ. If there is anyone out there that can tell me something positive, please do. I am available to anyone who has concerns about this matter and promise to do my best to assist any of you. (You dont have to leave your name). My office number is 973-504-3623. My email is as follows, dean.kuehnen@lps.state.nj.us I strongly feel that there are more victims out there than I know about. I want to do my best to help. I have not received any positive feedback regarding this case. Personally, I do not care if the machine works or not, I just want the investors investments safe, registered, and wish to prevent any fraudulent representations by Genesis World Energy, UFCT, and their small management. Due to the fact that there is an investigation, it is hard for me to go into to elaborate detail online, but would love to talk. Thank you, Dean Kuehnen Investigator Bureau of Securities --johnL
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I read through the entire Genesis World Energy site. It is very well thought out. I checked out the whois listing through Internic and the .org is registered under Guy Rome and Associates Inc. and the following: Registrant ID:C35803144-RCOM Name:Charles Shaw Street1:170WashingtonAvenue City:Dumont State/Province:NJ Postal Code:07628 Country:US Phone:+1.2015010330 FAX:+1.2015010299 Email:charlesshaw_pc@yahoo.com Admin:James Lackey Organization:GenesisEnergySystemsInc. Street1:849EastStanleyBlvd. City:Livermore State/Province:Ca Postal Code:94437 Country:US Phone:+1.8003583631 Email:JamesLackey@genesisenergysystems.com I did a search on Google for Guy rome and Associates and found the web site: http://www.guyrome.com/guyrome/ The Guy Rome agency created the trademarks for the company. The Genesis Energy Systems Logo was present in addition to the World Energy Management logo which is the licensing arm for Genesis. Maybe this information will help Dean Kuehnen's Investigation. One parting thought, if I was the inventor of a highly disruptive technology such as this I think I would probably play the game exactly as they are--for fear of being taken out. I hope that it is real and not a scam. I think the world really needs this right now, we are really screwing up our environment and it is only a matter of time before we have a major environmental cataclysm. I am very afraid for my childrens future. Best wishes. --K. Morgan
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i dont understand you k....make it simple --Anonymous
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Using a small amount of energy to release massive amounts of energy does NOT violate the laws of thermodynamics-- if it is stored energy. Just like the small amount of energy contained in a matchstick can release an inferno. --Croot
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Is it possible that our notions about what water is are pressured by the fact that we think of it as completely inert. We drink it we wash with it our children drink it maybe we simpley revolt the idea that it has some undiscovered explosive property. Let us not fool ourselves into believing that we have explored every possible catalyst and method to crack H2O. Potassium and cesium explode on contact with water. cyonide is a poison for life that utilizes oxygen but not for life that utilizes sulfides. I don't care if Mr. Kelsey has developed THE method. This is an important discussion that everyones mind should be open to. You never know it could be that at a very specific temperature with a very specific catalyst rapid decomposition of H2O becomes a self sustaining reaction, think nano;) Thanks,Steve |
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Folks the guy who promoted Genesis plead guilty back in 2006. He's probably back in Boise on parole now. It wasn't his first conviction either. All the press who covered the announcement, missed that the scheme was promoted by a guy with a criminal record. And they never covered his arrest. Go figure. http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com/200 ... ton-on.html --johnL
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